Buggery in the Vatican

Knights Templar Seal It's a pity that homosexuals and pederasts are in charge of the Catholic Church. No official records exist, but informed speculation puts the number of priests who are homosexual at well over fifty percent; moreover, educated guesses suggest that more than a few have inclinations to pederasty (the U.S. Catholic Church alone, for example, having now paid over $1.3 billion to avoid civil trials). It's no accident. Over the centuries, probably ever since the Roman Church adopted its notions of priestly celibacy, homosexuals have flocked to become priests, to enjoy in private the company of other homosexuals and, if so inclined, to take advantage of public trust and the fact that in so many ways the Church operates outside the law, to indulge in sexual assaults on children. Most priests are also misogynists. Almost all of them are alcoholics. What kind of religious organization is it, anyway?

The Vatican, to put it bluntly, is homosexual love affair central. (Sort of like the leadership of the Republican Party. Nothing wrong with being homosexual except that private homosexual clubs shouldn't collectively fester in the closet, especially not when they exercise power over many outside their circle.) The rot goes right to the top — you can see it in Pope Benedict XVI's squirrelly little squint. The chances of this Church reforming itself are, essentially, zero. By default, the rest of society has acquired responsibility for priests who are pederasts. We would be doing Catholics and everybody else a great big favor by unapologetically cracking down on the Church of Rome. Indict the Pope for conspiring to conceal sex crimes against children? Why not?

On the larger question of what good is a religion that treats women as second-class citizens, my best guess is that without a root and branch reorganization the Church of Rome will inexorably fade into irrelevancy, though that may yet take several centuries to become apparent.

Posted by George Kenney on March 28, 2010 9:42 PM

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Gee, where are the Knights of Columbus when you need them?

What exactly has motivated this essay? As far as I'm aware, no part of the Catholic Church is currently engaged in the destruction of Palestinian culture, homes, women, children or old men. Nor is the Church part of the Holy WASP Capitalist Crusade against the world in places like Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan.

And the charges! Truly worthy of some KKK pamphlet from the 1920s. Homosexuals and pederasts are in charge of the Catholic Church? "No official records exist, but informed speculation" (no doubt coming from the same speculators who wrote "Protocols of the Elders of Zion") tells us:

Homosexual priests make up more than half the church
Men become priests in order to cornhole each other
Most priests are misogynists
Almost ALL OF THEM are drunks

I see.

This sort of buggery has gone on forever, in the high reaches of Zionism, Islamism, and most certainly within:

Yale Skull & Bones
The Council on Foreign Relations
The TriLateral Commission
Sullivan and Cromwell
The CIA
The Carlyle Group
Lutherans, Calvinists, and Presbyterians
Methodists, Anabaptists, and Anglicans

And all the other WASP bloodsuckers who have caused the deaths of billions of people over the past few hundred years.

To define the Catholic Church by the likes of the current Nazi Pope and his fellow pederasts is like defining togetherness along the lines of the Manson Family. Why no mention of Liberation Theology and all the wonders it has done for the past 40 years? (In the face of virulent attacks from Rome.) The magnificent "liberations" throughout South and Central America are all Catholic-based, as is the continuing model of the Cuban revolution. The only administration in US history which stood up to the WASP National Security State was Catholic-based.

And the timing of all this has always smelled. It reminds me of Chomsky's defense of government: "There's a lot of things wrong with government, but what the US Elites hate about it is what is right: that government is reachable and controllable by the people, that is it the only weapon available against increasing privatization and inequality." And the attempt to destroy the public face of the Catholic Church — a jihad "coincidentally" begun under the most extreme WASP war administration in US history, Bush/Cheney — emerged to try and destroy what is RIGHT about the Church: its remaining preference for the poor, its involvement with anti-war, anti-globalist, anti-capitalist movements across the world.

Posted by: EJK | March 29, 2010 1:22 PM

At one of the peace demonstrations we hold on a monthly basis I asked if one of our members who would be serving time for the annual protest at School of the Americas would be interviewed on the newly minted Catholic talk radio station. (The Catholics bought this from the local private university and the university sold because it didn't want the headaches of having an outlet of free speech in Joe McCarthy's hometown here in Appleton, Wisconsin.)

I was told by another member of this Catholic activist's congregation that no, he would not be on the Catholic radio station. I asked why and I was told about the new definition of what it means to be in that religion. I was told that you have to separate out the good Catholics from bad Catholics. Apparently there is a strain of Catholics that have all the small petty and mean virtues of being a Republican and then there are the social activist sort that came up through the open housing demonstrations in Wisconsin in the 60's.

There is no defense of this criminal behavior and cover-up. The Catholics like to define this as sin and as an internal matter and local law officials allow them the privilege of "sorting it out for themselves" even when they know about it. This would be your bad Catholics.

One of the good ones from Milwaukee near the site of the most egregious abuse was interviewed on KPFA Flashpoints Radio this week. Well worth listening to. The teacher from Marquette University is calling for legal action, not sorting out the 'sins of the fathers.'

See March 29th program.

http://www.flashpoints.net/

Posted by: Lon C Ponschock | March 31, 2010 12:50 PM

As a practicing Catholic the issues of pedophile priests and the cover-up by the hierarchy have been disturbing. Any association with people of this malignant type is distasteful, and has left most Catholics overwhelmed and confused. While I not only understand the tone of your piece, since it is justified in some areas, I also think that your essay is out of line in that it shows not only a lack of your personal acknowledgment or understanding, but outright contempt for regular people whose traditional association with the church is still the best way to live a spiritual life. The institutional church is just another institution, and like all institutions is prone to corruption, fallibility and in need of constant reform. The point is, there are two issues, and your article is justified in one and offensive in another. I would not excuse any of these monster priest, nor the church officials who were probably the same ones who a generation ago bowed to Ronald Reagan’s anti-socialism paranoia and drove socially conscious South American and other priests out of the priesthood over Liberation Theology. Catholic priests and nuns have been at the forefront of social uplift throughout the world. I believe you are using your voice to raise people's consciousness, but you are not alone. Others are quietly doing their part in the trenches, and with less fanfare. How they go on when they know their institution has corruption I cannot explain. How do we Americans go on knowing of the crimes committed in our name?

Now I would like to bring up another point that bears directly on this story and others like it — pedophile priests — and the timing of their appearances in the news. My experience shows that there must be another attack being planned against a Middle East country soon. Attacks on Catholics have silenced protest by putting us back on our heels, and heading off any organized protest from a major institution — the people of the Catholic Church. Catholics have not turned their backs on the poor, they are not planning jihad or running a gulag in the "Holy Land." I would say that even you should be careful that you are being used to supply cover or a distraction as the American war machine revs up to cover the biggest crime to date — the looting of America. I'm all for jailing the perps, but it's so difficult not to be complicit in the criminality within our institutions, wouldn't you say?

[Thanks for your comment, Mike. I think your first point is not entirely unreasonable, but is wrong. Your second point is extremely far-fetched.

As far as religion goes, I'm all for people worshiping in any way they please. It's not so clear, however, that you can draw an arbitrary line between sexual criminal predators and the rest of the Church of Rome, when the leadership of the Vatican has done so much to cover up the crimes. How long, do you suppose, before an energetic prosecutor somewhere invokes the RICO Act?

Related to this, somewhat, I'd like to clarify that it's not I'm against homosexuals being priests, per se, but that the hypocrisy is wrong: the Church of Rome pressuring governments on their treatment of homosexuals, preaching that it is a sin, then practicing the exact opposite in private. Just as happens with the Republican Party leadership, this kind of double life leads to people getting psychologically messed up — they aren't capable of being good priests and probably they aren't capable of being good human beings. Furthermore, obviously, the circumstance of being a homosexual does not force one into pedophilia. (Why so many homosexual Catholic priests are pederasts is an interesting question.) Having said all that, nevertheless I'm pleased to have gotten some Catholics angry. Perhaps you need to take a moment to consider that your religion has gone so far out of bounds that many reasonable people are beginning to wonder whether it should be allowed to continue a pretense of policing itself.

Your second point, Mike, I'm sorry to say, seems borderline delusional and clearly self-serving.

For those interested, btw, I've gotten a barrage of hate mail due to this post. Regarding comments, I've allowed through only those I felt made a sincere effort to express a point of view. g.]

Posted by: Mike H | March 31, 2010 6:18 PM

George, you clearly do not get what I intended by my post; I take responsibility for that. Let me state clearly, whether pedophile priests are arrested or Church officials named as co-conspirators in crimes against children, we don't disagree. The criminals have been protected and should be driven out and prosecuted; there is no divergence between us on the matter that justice, no matter where it takes us, should be served. The consequences can only help the Church in the long run.

A far stronger issue for me is that I believe the institutional voice of the Church has been far too accommodating to right wing ideologues — think Franco's Spain and American ones too. For me, war is the greatest scourge of mankind, and my personal indictments go to the powers that be, including the Church. I note only that you and Matt Taibbi (two commentators I follow closely) have both chosen to highlight the pedophile priests, while the New York Times and the Financial Times have feature stories on the valiant efforts by the Obama administration to hold back a preemptive strike by Israel and just how such a strike might play out. Might the United States leadership be contemplating a third war in the Middle East, least we allow someone else to do the killing that seems to feeds our national raison d'etre. I view the timing as a “shot over the bow” of the institutional church leaders to either get with the program, or shut up, but get your masses behind us. We all know how a group of very astute, but embattled social leaders would parse these seemingly coincidental happenings, and we can be assured that they would gladly turn a blind eye to the higher immorality of war to save themselves from the inconvenience of their personal and institutional immorality. I will be paying close attention to watch how this plays out. I am far from delusional, as I have watched a president receive the Nobel Peace Prize and conduct two wars. A third wouldn’t be a surprise.

I still have faith in individuals to conduct themselves with dignity, compassion and especially courage as followers of “the Christ.”

I believe that the priesthood is a special calling and probably far rarer than we have traditionally envisioned it. The Church is not a building or an institution, though that’s the general conception. In reality it is a much more amorphous body; it is all humanity. When leaders fail, especially those given most power — whether elected or imposed — that body is scarred.

[Thanks, Mike, for your clarification! I would note that the Vatican also played an unhelpful role in the breakup of the former Yugoslavia. g.]

Posted by: Mike H | March 31, 2010 9:24 PM

I think McGuire would make a good guest on EP.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/89555422.html

Academic freedom is tested here at Marquette U. McGuire knows that the Pope won't resign at his request. What is at issue is the crime vs. the sin and that is what Catholics don't seem to get. There is no "policing" within the Church that can be dignified with any sort of respect and specifically raises questions about separation of church vs. state when Milwaukee police knew and were silent.

McGuire's consortiumnews piece is referenced above. Consortium News is Robert Parry's web space: a highly respected journalist who broke Iran/Contra.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/032810e.html

[Thanks, Lon. Marci Hamilton has an excellent piece out yesterday also. g.]

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Home FAQ Contact Archive EP Store EP Alerts © 2012 ElectricPolitics	Buggery in the Vatican It's a pity that homosexuals and pederasts are in charge of the Catholic Church. No official records exist, but informed speculation puts the number of priests who are homosexual at well over fifty percent; moreover, educated guesses suggest that more than a few have inclinations to pederasty (the U.S. Catholic Church alone, for example, having now paid over $1.3 billion to avoid civil trials). It's no accident. Over the centuries, probably ever since the Roman Church adopted its notions of priestly celibacy, homosexuals have flocked to become priests, to enjoy in private the company of other homosexuals and, if so inclined, to take advantage of public trust and the fact that in so many ways the Church operates outside the law, to indulge in sexual assaults on children. Most priests are also misogynists. Almost all of them are alcoholics. What kind of religious organization is it, anyway? The Vatican, to put it bluntly, is homosexual love affair central. (Sort of like the leadership of the Republican Party. Nothing wrong with being homosexual except that private homosexual clubs shouldn't collectively fester in the closet, especially not when they exercise power over many outside their circle.) The rot goes right to the top — you can see it in Pope Benedict XVI's squirrelly little squint. The chances of this Church reforming itself are, essentially, zero. By default, the rest of society has acquired responsibility for priests who are pederasts. We would be doing Catholics and everybody else a great big favor by unapologetically cracking down on the Church of Rome. Indict the Pope for conspiring to conceal sex crimes against children? Why not? On the larger question of what good is a religion that treats women as second-class citizens, my best guess is that without a root and branch reorganization the Church of Rome will inexorably fade into irrelevancy, though that may yet take several centuries to become apparent. Posted by George Kenney on March 28, 2010 9:42 PM « On the Trail of "X-Woman" \| Main \| Bipartisan Obloquy » Share this post: Comments Gee, where are the Knights of Columbus when you need them? What exactly has motivated this essay? As far as I'm aware, no part of the Catholic Church is currently engaged in the destruction of Palestinian culture, homes, women, children or old men. Nor is the Church part of the Holy WASP Capitalist Crusade against the world in places like Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan. And the charges! Truly worthy of some KKK pamphlet from the 1920s. Homosexuals and pederasts are in charge of the Catholic Church? "No official records exist, but informed speculation" (no doubt coming from the same speculators who wrote "Protocols of the Elders of Zion") tells us: Homosexual priests make up more than half the church Men become priests in order to cornhole each other Most priests are misogynists Almost ALL OF THEM are drunks I see. This sort of buggery has gone on forever, in the high reaches of Zionism, Islamism, and most certainly within: Yale Skull & Bones The Council on Foreign Relations The TriLateral Commission Sullivan and Cromwell The CIA The Carlyle Group Lutherans, Calvinists, and Presbyterians Methodists, Anabaptists, and Anglicans And all the other WASP bloodsuckers who have caused the deaths of billions of people over the past few hundred years. To define the Catholic Church by the likes of the current Nazi Pope and his fellow pederasts is like defining togetherness along the lines of the Manson Family. Why no mention of Liberation Theology and all the wonders it has done for the past 40 years? (In the face of virulent attacks from Rome.) The magnificent "liberations" throughout South and Central America are all Catholic-based, as is the continuing model of the Cuban revolution. The only administration in US history which stood up to the WASP National Security State was Catholic-based. And the timing of all this has always smelled. It reminds me of Chomsky's defense of government: "There's a lot of things wrong with government, but what the US Elites hate about it is what is right: that government is reachable and controllable by the people, that is it the only weapon available against increasing privatization and inequality." And the attempt to destroy the public face of the Catholic Church — a jihad "coincidentally" begun under the most extreme WASP war administration in US history, Bush/Cheney — emerged to try and destroy what is RIGHT about the Church: its remaining preference for the poor, its involvement with anti-war, anti-globalist, anti-capitalist movements across the world. Posted by: EJK \| March 29, 2010 1:22 PM At one of the peace demonstrations we hold on a monthly basis I asked if one of our members who would be serving time for the annual protest at School of the Americas would be interviewed on the newly minted Catholic talk radio station. (The Catholics bought this from the local private university and the university sold because it didn't want the headaches of having an outlet of free speech in Joe McCarthy's hometown here in Appleton, Wisconsin.) I was told by another member of this Catholic activist's congregation that no, he would not be on the Catholic radio station. I asked why and I was told about the new definition of what it means to be in that religion. I was told that you have to separate out the good Catholics from bad Catholics. Apparently there is a strain of Catholics that have all the small petty and mean virtues of being a Republican and then there are the social activist sort that came up through the open housing demonstrations in Wisconsin in the 60's. There is no defense of this criminal behavior and cover-up. The Catholics like to define this as sin and as an internal matter and local law officials allow them the privilege of "sorting it out for themselves" even when they know about it. This would be your bad Catholics. One of the good ones from Milwaukee near the site of the most egregious abuse was interviewed on KPFA Flashpoints Radio this week. Well worth listening to. The teacher from Marquette University is calling for legal action, not sorting out the 'sins of the fathers.' See March 29th program. http://www.flashpoints.net/ Posted by: Lon C Ponschock \| March 31, 2010 12:50 PM As a practicing Catholic the issues of pedophile priests and the cover-up by the hierarchy have been disturbing. Any association with people of this malignant type is distasteful, and has left most Catholics overwhelmed and confused. While I not only understand the tone of your piece, since it is justified in some areas, I also think that your essay is out of line in that it shows not only a lack of your personal acknowledgment or understanding, but outright contempt for regular people whose traditional association with the church is still the best way to live a spiritual life. The institutional church is just another institution, and like all institutions is prone to corruption, fallibility and in need of constant reform. The point is, there are two issues, and your article is justified in one and offensive in another. I would not excuse any of these monster priest, nor the church officials who were probably the same ones who a generation ago bowed to Ronald Reagan’s anti-socialism paranoia and drove socially conscious South American and other priests out of the priesthood over Liberation Theology. Catholic priests and nuns have been at the forefront of social uplift throughout the world. I believe you are using your voice to raise people's consciousness, but you are not alone. Others are quietly doing their part in the trenches, and with less fanfare. How they go on when they know their institution has corruption I cannot explain. How do we Americans go on knowing of the crimes committed in our name? Now I would like to bring up another point that bears directly on this story and others like it — pedophile priests — and the timing of their appearances in the news. My experience shows that there must be another attack being planned against a Middle East country soon. Attacks on Catholics have silenced protest by putting us back on our heels, and heading off any organized protest from a major institution — the people of the Catholic Church. Catholics have not turned their backs on the poor, they are not planning jihad or running a gulag in the "Holy Land." I would say that even you should be careful that you are being used to supply cover or a distraction as the American war machine revs up to cover the biggest crime to date — the looting of America. I'm all for jailing the perps, but it's so difficult not to be complicit in the criminality within our institutions, wouldn't you say? [Thanks for your comment, Mike. I think your first point is not entirely unreasonable, but is wrong. Your second point is extremely far-fetched. As far as religion goes, I'm all for people worshiping in any way they please. It's not so clear, however, that you can draw an arbitrary line between sexual criminal predators and the rest of the Church of Rome, when the leadership of the Vatican has done so much to cover up the crimes. How long, do you suppose, before an energetic prosecutor somewhere invokes the RICO Act? Related to this, somewhat, I'd like to clarify that it's not I'm against homosexuals being priests, per se, but that the hypocrisy is wrong: the Church of Rome pressuring governments on their treatment of homosexuals, preaching that it is a sin, then practicing the exact opposite in private. Just as happens with the Republican Party leadership, this kind of double life leads to people getting psychologically messed up — they aren't capable of being good priests and probably they aren't capable of being good human beings. Furthermore, obviously, the circumstance of being a homosexual does not force one into pedophilia. (Why so many homosexual Catholic priests are pederasts is an interesting question.) Having said all that, nevertheless I'm pleased to have gotten some Catholics angry. Perhaps you need to take a moment to consider that your religion has gone so far out of bounds that many reasonable people are beginning to wonder whether it should be allowed to continue a pretense of policing itself. Your second point, Mike, I'm sorry to say, seems borderline delusional and clearly self-serving. For those interested, btw, I've gotten a barrage of hate mail due to this post. Regarding comments, I've allowed through only those I felt made a sincere effort to express a point of view. g.] Posted by: Mike H \| March 31, 2010 6:18 PM George, you clearly do not get what I intended by my post; I take responsibility for that. Let me state clearly, whether pedophile priests are arrested or Church officials named as co-conspirators in crimes against children, we don't disagree. The criminals have been protected and should be driven out and prosecuted; there is no divergence between us on the matter that justice, no matter where it takes us, should be served. The consequences can only help the Church in the long run. A far stronger issue for me is that I believe the institutional voice of the Church has been far too accommodating to right wing ideologues — think Franco's Spain and American ones too. For me, war is the greatest scourge of mankind, and my personal indictments go to the powers that be, including the Church. I note only that you and Matt Taibbi (two commentators I follow closely) have both chosen to highlight the pedophile priests, while the New York Times and the Financial Times have feature stories on the valiant efforts by the Obama administration to hold back a preemptive strike by Israel and just how such a strike might play out. Might the United States leadership be contemplating a third war in the Middle East, least we allow someone else to do the killing that seems to feeds our national raison d'etre. I view the timing as a “shot over the bow” of the institutional church leaders to either get with the program, or shut up, but get your masses behind us. We all know how a group of very astute, but embattled social leaders would parse these seemingly coincidental happenings, and we can be assured that they would gladly turn a blind eye to the higher immorality of war to save themselves from the inconvenience of their personal and institutional immorality. I will be paying close attention to watch how this plays out. I am far from delusional, as I have watched a president receive the Nobel Peace Prize and conduct two wars. A third wouldn’t be a surprise. I still have faith in individuals to conduct themselves with dignity, compassion and especially courage as followers of “the Christ.” I believe that the priesthood is a special calling and probably far rarer than we have traditionally envisioned it. The Church is not a building or an institution, though that’s the general conception. In reality it is a much more amorphous body; it is all humanity. When leaders fail, especially those given most power — whether elected or imposed — that body is scarred. [Thanks, Mike, for your clarification! I would note that the Vatican also played an unhelpful role in the breakup of the former Yugoslavia. g.] Posted by: Mike H \| March 31, 2010 9:24 PM I think McGuire would make a good guest on EP. http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/89555422.html Academic freedom is tested here at Marquette U. McGuire knows that the Pope won't resign at his request. What is at issue is the crime vs. the sin and that is what Catholics don't seem to get. There is no "policing" within the Church that can be dignified with any sort of respect and specifically raises questions about separation of church vs. state when Milwaukee police knew and were silent. McGuire's consortiumnews piece is referenced above. Consortium News is Robert Parry's web space: a highly respected journalist who broke Iran/Contra. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/032810e.html [Thanks, Lon. Marci Hamilton has an excellent piece out yesterday also. g.] Posted by: Lon C Ponschock \| April 1, 2010 11:48 AM Leave a comment Name Email Address URL Remember personal info? Comments (You may use HTML tags for style)

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